RECORD: Darwin, C. R. 10.1845. Mr Wynne / Doubts about Irish Horses hereditary jumping. CUL-DAR205.11.137. Edited by John van Wyhe (Darwin Online, http://darwin-online.org.uk/)

REVISION HISTORY: Transcribed by Christine Chua and edited by John van Wyhe 1.2023. RN1

NOTE: See record in the Darwin Online manuscript catalogue, enter its Identifier here. Reproduced with permission of the Syndics of Cambridge University Library and William Huxley Darwin. The volume CUL-DAR205.11 contains notes on Instinct, change in habit.

"Wynne, Rice, 1777-1846. (not “Wynn”) Apothecary and surgeon. Friend of CD's father. 1822 Mayor of Shrewsbury. Bred horses and Malay fowl. Before 1839 CD addressed some questions on animal breeding to W. A rough copy in CD's hand was transcribed by Barrett in Gruber, Darwin on man, 1974, pp. 423-6 (F265). See Darwin's notebooks, 1987, and Darwin Online." "Questions for Mr. Wynne. An early set of questions in manuscript about the breeding of animals. Transcribed by Barrett in Gruber, Darwin on man, pp. 423-5, 1974 (F1582) and in Darwin Online. Mr Wynne was Rice Wynne. See also “Mr Wynne Doubts about Irish Horses hereditarily jumping” (DAR205.11.37)." Paul van Helvert & John van Wyhe, Darwin: A Companion, 2021.


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[Archival note:] CD note or letter? from Mr Wynne Oct 45

 

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To be Kept) Mr Wynne. Oct. 1845 Ch X

Doubts about Irish Horses hereditarily jumping, because trained at 2 yr old over walls— Has no doubt whatever that Irish Horses have a different disposition from English.

Is sure that all the foals from Intruder (a famous getter of Shropshire Hunters) had a tendency to touch when they leapt; trusted to this & got over a wall & then over a ditch with a fallen tree in middle, whereas not another horse in field could pass, but were bogged.— Irish horses wont jump ditches.—

Believes in difference & hereditariness of faculties in Hounds; & in some of it, from Books Kept.—

(a) Had for some years Malay Fowls, from L. Powis, imported by him, famous fighters, there regularly went to roost in midday & in evening came out to search for food— How different & curious: many several generations after first importation.—

Thinks Race Horses? be taught to trot high with ease & wd be good trotters; some difference

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= ask about colour in Horses & disposition & lameness = Effects of training ie exercise on form.—

(a) Sarah Williams has Chittagong fowls has observed the same facts; especially about going to roost in midday; reared a common chicken with them, & it had same habit. Transmitted knowledge— new class of facts— food, song of Birds Erasmus horse eying each other. Old sow (not pigs ever) opening gates. my Father saw it— cd not be taught; reaching up. — There Chittagong fowls lay yellowish eggs: Mr. W. says that the Black Duck eggs vary greatly in colour; agrees with the Hussey facts.

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however, in taking to high trot: attributes all such differences to breaking.—

(a) Thinks that Race & Cart-Horse foals as different, when dropped as when full grown!!!—Thinks long-legged breed cd more easily be selected from foals, than from colts!!! Perhaps require more discrimination to do so.— Says foals vary in their growth, but return to their first appearance & in they grow old to their parents & family (Hence training wd tell chiefly on mature life)

(N.B. Breed different foals to see this = ) Ask. whether he or good judges buy young foals?

I saw some complicated crosses between Neapolitan, Chinese & English Breeds of Pigs; & some remarkable sports, ie difference his young from Parents; cd. not quite understand how he meant to establish a breed— Ask more — seemed to admit variability of these complicated crosses.—

I was much struck in looking at his sheep, how accurate an eye must be required to appreciate the differences

How different the gait of a Bantam from common fowl.—

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(a) Mark says from all he has heard, he utterly misbelieves that the proportion of foals, can be judged off: says Hunters are bought from their proportions alone, & yet London Dealers never buy foals: says they alter much even when two or three years old.— Race-foals are all reared & are all tryed; are judged of more by action. than books.—

Origin of Pie Bald Horses.— & Dun-coloured horses

Hofacker states from crosses

About different breeds of dogs preferring their own kinds


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