RECORD: Darwin, C. R. n.d. Abstract of Bombet, Lives of Haydn and Mozart. CUL-DAR85.A77-A78. Edited by John van Wyhe (Darwin Online, http://darwin-online.org.uk/)

REVISION HISTORY: Transcribed by Christine Chua and edited by John van Wyhe 3.2022. RN1

NOTE: See record in the Darwin Online manuscript catalogue, enter its Identifier here. Reproduced with permission of the Syndics of Cambridge University Library and William Huxley Darwin. The volumes CUL-DAR80-86 contain material for Darwin's book Descent of man (1871).

Darwin cited this in Descent 2: 370, n17: "An ingenious writer argues, from a comparison of the pictures of Raphael, Rubens, and modern French artists, that the idea of beauty is not absolutely the same even throughout Europe: see the 'Lives of Haydn and Mozart,' by M. Bombet, English translat. p. 278."

L. A. C. Bombet, The Lives of Haydn and Mozart. 2d ed. London, 1818.


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Lives of Haydn & Mozart. by M. Bombet. Translated from the French

p. 96. "It has been said fine thoughts come from the heart, & the truth of this remark is the more observable in proportion as the subject is removed from the precision of mathematical researches."

p. 115. "A musical composition is a discourse, expression by sounds instead of words"

p. 124. Mr Gardner in his notes says "every one has a singing & speaking voice between the operations of which there is little or no analogy

p. 154 "Physical pleasure is the basis of music": "a fine chord enchants the ear & false note tortures it". yet nothing can be written down to explain why.

p. 222. Mr Gardner says it the language of tones, which the new born child understands: hence effect of eloquence: "there is then independently of words a language

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of the passions consisting of the tones, in which they are instinctively uttered" - the empire of music over the feelings & passions is founded in reference to these instinctive tones . (N.B all this has no relation to melody) in the tones of woe, we recognize the minor 3d in those of joy the harmony of the major &c &c. --- "it should therefore be the object of the instrumentation, as well as the vocal performance to copy the manner in which the instinctive tones are uttered."

p. 272 "One cannot feel at the same moment the effect of two melodies. The pleasure they give us does not leave traces in the memory sufficiently strong to enable us to judge of them at any distance of time".

(Does this bear any relation to the non-wish of good dinner over again, or other sensual pleasure, though you may wish to repeat it freshly: & consequently one does not wish to relive life)

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p. 278 speaking of the difference of a Rubens, a Raphael & modern French beauty says "it would appear that each individual & consequently, each nation, has a separate idea of beauty, which is a combination of every thing that pleases him most in things of the same nature"

p. 279 "Can the ideal beauty of a Dane (in music) be the same with that of a Neapolitan".

p. 284 "It is to be observed, that it is always from sculpture that we draw our examples of ideal beauty (? CD) Now in sculpture (& painting ? CD), there is a general idea of beauty, because there is much less difference in the forms of the human body in different countries Man than in the constitution, which is given by the climate".  Hence the beau ideal, of their art, "which call into action various affection of the mind, (as music, poetry & drama except such as Milton differs more than the Arts of design.

{p 461. "How divine that is! He affirms with his lips, but with his eyes he interrogates."

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Idea of Beauty different even in different nations of Europe


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