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The Complete Work of Charles Darwin Online (2 Lemoine p. 94. Affection of Brain (C.D) affect iris; perhaps enlargement under fear more probably a direct, than habitual result. [Darwin's marginalia in his copy of the book: Does iris contract under emotion — well shown to do so in Brain affection? Bowman, How in paroxysm of mania? ] 95. Expressions all created. Creationist ─ [insertion:] for [illeg] 103 105} dispute what all authors say that we have instinct ─ to understand expression ─ (It is
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1963. Darwin's ornithological notes. Bulletin of the British Museum (Natural History). Historical Series 2 (7): 201-278. With introduction, notes and appendix by the editor.
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Ornithological Notes. It is worth noting how the terms creation and centres of creation are still retained in B. 1845 a comment often made by others. But it has not, I think, been noted that the creationist passages centering round his Galapagos experiences, originated earlier in the discussion on the ranges of bird distribution, see B. 1839, p. 353; B. 1845, p. 289; Ornithological Notes MS. p. 69 and Appendix. As Sir Gavin de Beer has pointed out in the Evolutionary Notebooks (Bull. B.M. (N.H.)), Darwin had
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The Complete Work of Charles Darwin Online [192] (18) The specification in the different islands, apparently so similar, is analogous with the variation of cattle in different countries even islands of archipelagos. [insertion:] The Creationist must, almost, assume there is some difference in conditions Nothing is more false presumptuous than for us to judge what are similar conditions for animals: look at variety of birds in different counties in England
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Relation of character of quadrupeds to surroundings, is explicable when same species occur on the opposite sides, as Brisbane Sicily c. - but what [illeg] relation on creationist - but there [rounding] obviously in this troubled region of the world studded with orders, is connection on my theory, for they might formerly have been connected the same parent species extended. Ask why Gilolo, Ternate c shd have Aus ones, Celebes, Borneo c have Asiatic genera. In E. Ind - Arch. depths distances
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species, a sketch written in 1842. Cambridge: University Press.
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suggest that many of the forms might have been borne from nearest land, but if peculiar, he calls in creationist, as such island rises in height c., he still more calls in creation. The creationist tells one, on a illegible spot the American spirit of creation makes Orpheus and Tyrannus and American doves, and in accordance with past and extinct forms, but no persistent relation between areas and distribution, Geologico-Geograph.-Distribution. 1 The following is written on the back of a page of
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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suggest that many of the forms might have been borne from nearest land, but if peculiar, he calls in creationist,—as such island rises in height c., he still more calls in creation. The creationist tells one, on a illegible spot the American spirit of creation makes Orpheus and Tyrannus and American doves, and in accordance with past and extinct forms, but no persistent relation between areas and distribution, Geologico-Geograph.-Distribution. 1 The following is written on the back of a page of
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species, a sketch written in 1842. Cambridge: University Press.
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are probably subject to many the same contagious diseases; if domesticated these forms would vary, and they might possibly breed together, and fuse into something1 different from their aboriginal forms; might be selected to serve different ends. Now the Creationist believes these three Rhinoceroses were created2 with their deceptive appearance of true, not illegible relationship; as well can I believe the planets revolve in their present courses not from one law of gravity but from distinct
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species, a sketch written in 1842. Cambridge: University Press.
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the Creationist in the case of a species, must believe that one act of creation is absorbed into another! CONCLUSION. Such are my reasons for believing that specific forms are not immutable. The affinity of different groups, the unity of types of structure, the representative forms through which f tus passes, the metamorphosis of organs, the abortion of others cease to be metaphorical expressions and become intelligible facts. We no longer look an on animal as a savage does at a ship2, or other
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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are probably subject to many the same contagious diseases; if domesticated these forms would vary, and they might possibly breed together, and fuse into something1 different from their aboriginal forms; might be selected to serve different ends. Now the Creationist believes these three Rhinoceroses were created2 with their deceptive appearance of true, not illegible relationship; as well can I believe the planets revolve in their present courses not from one law of gravity but from distinct
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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the Creationist in the case of a species, must believe that one act of creation is absorbed into another! CONCLUSION. Such are my reasons for believing that specific forms are not immutable. The affinity of different groups, the unity of types of structure, the representative forms through which fœtus passes, the metamorphosis of organs, the abortion of others cease to be metaphorical expressions and become intelligible facts. We no longer look an on animal as a savage does at a ship2, or other
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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Looking further backwards we see that the past geographical distribution of organic beings was different from the present; and indeed, considering that geology shows that all our land was once under water, and that where water now extends land is forming, the reverse could hardly have been possible. Now these several facts, though evidently all more or less connected together, must by the creationist (though the geologist may explain some of the anomalies) be considered as so many ultimate
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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Origin, Ed. i., Ch. XIV Ed. vi. begins with a similar statement. In the present Essay the author adds a note:— The obviousness of the fact i.e. the natural grouping of organisms alone prevents it being remarkable. It is scarcely explicable by creationist: groups of aquatic, of vegetable feeders and carnivorous, c., might resemble each other; but why as it is. So with plants,—analogical resemblance thus accounted for. Must not here enter into details. This argument is incorporated with the text in
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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in a considerable degree explained, on the theory of descent, although inexplicable on the views of the creationist. Practically, naturalists seem to classify according to the resemblance of those parts or organs which in related groups are most uniform, or vary least2: thus the æstivation, or manner in which the petals etc. are folded over each other, is found to afford an unvarying character in most families of plants, and accordingly any difference in this respect would be sufficient to cause
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species, a sketch written in 1842. Cambridge: University Press.
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not drawn by physiologists, and is only implied by some by their general manner of writing. These facts, though affecting every organic being on the face of the globe, which has existed, or does exist, can only be viewed by the Creationist as ultimate and inexplicable facts. But this unity of type through the individuals of a group, and this metamorphosis of the same organ into other organs, adapted to diverse use, necessarily follows on the theory of descent2. For let us take case of Vertebrata
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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not drawn by physiologists, and is only implied by some by their general manner of writing. These facts, though affecting every organic being on the face of the globe, which has existed, or does exist, can only be viewed by the Creationist as ultimate and inexplicable facts. But this unity of type through the individuals of a group, and this metamorphosis of the same organ into other organs, adapted to diverse use, necessarily follows on the theory of descent2. For let us take case of Vertebrata
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1909. The foundations of The origin of species. Two essays written in 1842 and 1844. Cambridge: University Press.
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the Vertebrata the limbs were metamorphosed spinal processes, and that in all the species throughout the class the limbs displayed a unity of type1. These wonderful parts of the hoof, foot, hand, wing, paddle, both in living and extinct animals, being all constructed on the same framework, and again of the petals, stamina, germens, c. being metamorphosed leaves, can by the creationist be viewed only as ultimate facts and incapable of explanation; whilst on our theory of descent these facts all
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(22 probably partaking of the Arctic climate Fauna, then when as climate changed arctic fauna wd take place of ice an inundation of plants from different temperate countries seize of the lowlands, leaving isld of aortic forms but if this had happened on an isld, whence could the new forms have come here the geologist calls in creationists If isld formed, the geologist will suggest many of the forms might have been borne from nearest land, but if peculiar, he call in Creationist. as such isld
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A =number of species not related to capabilities of the country= furthermore not always those best adapted perhaps explained by creationists by changes in progress. Although geologist Creationist can explain by help of geology much, how can he in the explain the varying marked relation of past present in some area, the varying relation in other cases, between past present, the relation of the different parts of same great area if isld of totally different organization to adjoining continents
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(32 pond. egg or spawn. Now in late times, we must suppose out these three undoubted species scarcely differ more than breeds of cattle, are probably subject to many the same contagious disease, if domesticated these forms would vary they might possibly breed into something different, one form be lost their aboriginal forms,. might be selected to some different ends. A continued Now the creationist believes these three Rhinoceros were created out of the dust of Java, Sumatra, then allied, to
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mongrels hybrids, as can be shown in a long series of facts. It is strikingly seen in cases of instincts, where the minds of the two species or races become blended together. In both cases if the half-bred be crossed with either parent for a few generations, all traces of the one parent form is lost (as Kolreuter in two Tobacco species almost sterile together), so that the Creationist in the cases of a species, must believe one act of creation is absorbed into another! Recapitulation (very
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of type extends This distinction is not drawn by physiologists, is only implied by some by their general manner of writing. These facts, though affecting common to every organic being on which has existed or does exist the face of this globe can only be viewed by the Creationist as a all ultimate wonderful inexplicable. facts = this wonderful fact of hoof foot, hand, ex as paddle. being built on same framework But this unity of type through the individual of a group this Metamorphosis of the
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CUL-DAR205.9.185-187
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Prof Forbes says he thinks that all Gasteropods pass through state of
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outside, then in middle of the bed all with rougher outside then at top all with very protuberant roughness. Most wonderful On common Creationist view, one must look at this roughness as some relation or effect, like the colouring of insects in the Phillippines, shows the external influences do produce some marked effects. There is no gradation between their forms but if there had been a gradual change, there sets suddenly seized preserved, effect would be this Grand case Forbes tells me bed
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From Lindley Veg. Kingdom (1849) number of genera – 467/6500 no of species (13.9 average of species to genus But – necessary for me to account for the fewness species [sketch] after having shown such to be the case A creationist might say the fact of aberrance shows that they differ from common form, ie from adapted to commonest circumstances therefore it is self-evident they wd not be likely to have many species created on such type. Quite sufficient explanation [insertion:] How to apply this
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holds good, considering how little some of the older forms are really known, considering that we have not in all the formations corresponding deep shallow water deposits. This fact is very important for me, harmonises with descent. Creationist might say that it depends on same conditions, but moreover trifling sectional characters can hardly have reference to conditions, but may to descent how rarely, how never, can same conditions throughout two enormous Geological Periods, is the case as far
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can be accounted for by creationist, showing that if a genus be created in different district question it wd probably form so many local species. If inhabitants of S. America Australia turned into each other by [illeg] I shd expect the increasing larger genera of the two wd persist spread exterminate many of the smaller genera; probably inhabitants of one continent wd prevail considerably over the other; when one continent formed another, usually one wd be sinking decreasing. Unusual powers of
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CUL-DAR205.2.117
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The Complete Work of Charles Darwin Online [117] (18) March. 1855 With respect to the few inhabitants of small isld – if they do always belong to very diverse types in each class, we have to explain this, first assuming formerly land continuous; then it is clear that restricted conditions can best support very diverse types; if not continuous it shows that very many must be imported compared to those which can ultimately exist. With respect to endemic forms, by creationist simple act
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The Complete Work of Charles Darwin Online [138] Ap /56/ 18 Where many species in common a few allied species or representative, (as shown by increase in no of species to genera with increasing area) In regions where few species in common, (whether owing to some ancient immigration, or to most rare chance introductions) then I believe invariable rule, many or some representative species. Illustrate with N. Zealand Australia N.Z S. America..— Creationist may say when some species in common
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Rowell G. A. communication to Ashmolean Society 12 November 1860 `[reference incomplete]'
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wide field for the reflective faculties of mankind . Curious to speculate how many millions young Cuckoos young Molothrus have perished that the creationist now might blunder over an explanation. — Ch X
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The Complete Work of Charles Darwin Online [157] Sept. 24— 1861. (After considering Primula.) The creationist who sees organisms from arctic tropical countries or from 2 continents, which never could meet, sterile together, must admit this incidental from endowed sterility to present forms which do come into contact from blending — So with sterility of Hybrid progeny.— Hence on view of sterility acquired by Nat Selection no difficulty from such facts.— In animals hard to see why sterility shd
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[Darwin, C. R.] 1863. [Review of] Contributions to an insect fauna of the Amazon Valley. By Henry Walter Bates, Esq. Transact. Linnean Soc. vol. XXIII. 1862, p. 495. Natural History Review 3 (April): 219-224.
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By what means, it may be asked, have so many butterflies of the Amazonian region acquired their deceptive dress? Most naturalists will answer that they were thus clothed from the hour of their creation—an answer which will generally be so far triumphant that it can be met only by long-drawn arguments; but it is made at the expence of putting an effectual bar to all further inquiry. In this particular case, moreover, the creationist will meet with special difficulties; for many of the mimicking
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'Reminiscences of My Father's Everyday Life' (partial fair copy)
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can be classed as a breaking of 2 1 In the sixth edition of Origin, Darwin added two thousand new sentences to his argument, including a chapter devoted to the refutation of Mivart's counter. A member of the creationist camp, Mivart had published Genesis of Species in which he attacked evolutionary theory. One of Mivart's arguments most threatening to Darwin's theory was the futility he saw in partially evolved organs. Why would an insect evolve wings if the organ, in developmental form, would
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1887. The life and letters of Charles Darwin, including an autobiographical chapter. vol. 2. London: John Murray.
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that I cannot explain why one rat has a longer tail and another longer ears, c. But he seems to muddle in assuming that these parts did not all vary together, or one part so insensibly before the other, as to be in fact contemporaneous. I might ask the creationist whether he thinks these differences in the two rats of any use, or as standing in some relation from laws of growth; and if he admits this, selection might come into play. He who thinks that God created animals unlike for mere sport
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1887. The life and letters of Charles Darwin, including an autobiographical chapter. vol. 3. London: John Murray.
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case seems to me hardly more difficult to understand precisely and in detail than the former case of supposed change. Bronn may ask in vain, the old creationist school and the new school, why one mouse has longer ears than another mouse, and one plant more pointed leaves than another plant. [page] 2
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1887. The life and letters of Charles Darwin, including an autobiographical chapter. vol. 2. London: John Murray.
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creationist will meet with special difficulties; for many of the mimicking forms of Leptalis can be shown by a graduated series to be merely [page] 39
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1887. The life and letters of Charles Darwin, including an autobiographical chapter. vol. 2. London: John Murray.
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creationist will have to admit that some of these forms have become imitators, by means of the laws of variation, whilst others he must look at as separately created under their present guise; he will further have to admit that some have been created in imitation of forms not themselves created as we now see them, but due to the laws of variation! Prof. Agassiz, indeed, would think nothing of this difficulty; for he believes that not only each species and each variety, but that groups of individuals
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Gray, Asa. 1888. Darwiniana: Essays and reviews pertaining to Darwinism. New York: D. Appleton.
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307 depends. These take it instead of making it, to a certain extent. What is the bearing of these remarkable adaptations and operations upon doctrines of evolution? There seems here to be a field on which the specific creationist, the evolutionist with design, and the necessary evolutionist, may fight out an interesting, if not decisive, triangular duel. [page break
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Gray, Asa. 1888. Darwiniana: Essays and reviews pertaining to Darwinism. New York: D. Appleton.
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much occasion to employ his capacity for generalization upon the accumulated facts in their bearing upon the problem of the origin of species; since the special creationist, who maintains that they were supernaturally originated just as they are, by the very terms of his doctrine places them out of the reach of scientific explanation. Again, when one reflects upon the new impetus which the derivative hypothesis has given to systematic natural history, and reads the declaration of a master in
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Darwin, Francis ed. 1892. Charles Darwin: his life told in an autobiographical chapter, and in a selected series of his published letters [abridged edition]. London: John Murray.
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creationist's point of view: By what means, it may be asked, have so many butterflies of the Amazonian region acquired their deceptive dress? Most naturalists will answer that they were thus clothed from the hour of their creation an answer which will generally be so far triumphant that it can be met only by long-drawn arguments; but it is made at the expense of putting an effectual bar to all further inquiry. In this particular case, moreover, the creationist will meet with special difficulties
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Seward, A. C. ed. 1909. Darwin and modern science. Essays in commemoration of the centenary of the birth of Charles Darwin and of the fiftieth anniversary of the publication of The origin of species. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
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increase, and one of the most remarkable, as also most independent champions of the evolution-idea before that date was Herbert Spencer, who not only marshalled the arguments in a very forcible way in 1852, but applied the formula in detail in his Principles of Psychology in 18552. It is right and proper that we should shake ourselves free from all creationist appreciations of Darwin, and that we should recognise the services of pre-Darwinian evolutionists who helped to make the time ripe, yet
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a creationist until converted, a score of years later, by the Origin itself. The discoverer had to build anew. It was evident that the many facts he had observed on the voyage could only be explained on the supposition that species had been gradually modified. But it was equally evident that neither the action of the environment nor the will of the organisms, especially in the case of plants, could account for the innumerable and beautiful adaptations of organisms to their habits of life
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1933. Charles Darwin's diary of the voyage of H.M.S. Beagle. Cambridge: University Press.
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Beagle.† Darwin's manuscript was ready for the publisher in 1837, but there was a delay of two years due to FitzRoy's ill-health. EVOLUTIONARY VIEWS The growth of Darwin's evolutionary beliefs has been frequently discussed. Francis Darwin devotes the opening pages of vol. ii of Life and Letters to the question, and deals with it again in his Introduction to the Foundations of the Origin of Species.‡ We know that Darwin left England in 1831 with unshaken belief in immutability and the creationist
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1933. Charles Darwin's diary of the voyage of H.M.S. Beagle. Cambridge: University Press.
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some of their later discussions after expeditions made in common, evidence of which can be found in their parallel accounts, must sometimes have led Darwin nearer the truth by FitzRoy's overstatement of the creationist point of view. Such discussions must have helped to form opinions, but it may well be that overt expression was delayed by Darwin's very real affection and admiration for Robert FitzRoy. FitzRoy has never received the recognition that is his due. It is true that later he was
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1933. Charles Darwin's diary of the voyage of H.M.S. Beagle. Cambridge: University Press.
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creationist theory is definitely emphasized in 1845. (47) p. 342. In the small diaries we find: Whaler gave us water—extraordinary kindness of Yankeys . (48) p. 351. Hibiscus tiliaceous. Added in first and second editions. (49) p. 357. It will probably be published is erased, and so interesting an account has been given by Capt. FitzRoy substituted. This proves that deletions were made after Darwin had read FitzRoy's account. See Voyages of A. and B. vol. ii, p. 516. [page] 439 NOTE
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Barlow, Nora. 1935. Charles Darwin and the Galapagos Islands. Nature 136 (7 September): 391.
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discernible in the different editions of Voyage of the Beagle . Even in the second edition of 1845, the words creation and creative force are used in the Galapagos discussion in the traditional sense. Darwin took no pleasure in overthrowing preconceived doctrines; he entered the new road cautiously, determined to pave it with solid accumulated evidence. Probably a certain deference to Capt. FitzRoy's views, emphatically creationist, helped to delay the unfolding of Darwin's divergent opinions. In
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1945. Charles Darwin and the voyage of the Beagle. London: Pilot Press.
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consideration of the biological problem of species with which geological facts are so interwoven. Fossil marine shells, fossilised bones and teeth of mammals, petrified trees all these were clues in the great detective story; and all led the way for a direct reconsideration of species problems as viewed by one brought up on the creationist assumption. But now we return to Valparaiso, to Mr. Corfield's house, and are glad to think that his kind friend had seen to it that on the rocky traverse he was to be
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1945. Charles Darwin and the voyage of the Beagle. London: Pilot Press.
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passed, FitzRoy became more and more a passionate believer in the literal truth of the first chapters of Genesis, whilst Darwin's thoughts were fixed on the vast geological ages, far out-spanning the time therein allotted to the creation of the world. Would not FitzRoy's over-emphasis on the creationist point of view have drawn Darwin to a closer scrutiny of the whole question? Possibly his allegiance to his old friend may even have helped to delay the publication of all the accumulated evidence in
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1945. Charles Darwin and the voyage of the Beagle. London: Pilot Press.
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to obtain all available evidence that hardly a sign of such an upheaval of beliefs found its way into print even ten years later in Murray's first popular edition of the Journal of Researches in 1845. Probably there was some deference to FitzRoy's emphatically creationist opinions in this delay; but mostly the need in his own mind to marshall all the facts in logical sequence. In 1845 he still refers to Centres of Creation , and aboriginal creations . I have found in one of the Ornithological
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Barlow, Nora ed. 1945. Charles Darwin and the voyage of the Beagle. London: Pilot Press.
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, 13, 49, 113, 121, 127, 128, 139, 146 Shropshire, 142 Simon's Bay, 141 Slavery, 36, 161 2 Smith, Dr. Andrew, 254 South America, 108, 116, 119, 120, 122, 125, 144 5, 179 , western coast, 223 4, 238 South Seas, 122 Spanish delay, 213 , ladies, 78, 168 St. Helena, 136 7, 254, 257, 260 St. Jago (Santiago), 107, 115, 118, 226, 228 Species, creationist doctrines, 1 , immutability of, 1 , geographical ranges of, 177 9, 185, 262 , problems of, 239, 246, 259 Stokes, John Lort, Mate and Assistant Surveyor
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Sulloway, Frank J. 1982. The Beagle collections of Darwin's finches (Geospizinae). Bulletin of the British Museum (Natural History) Zoology Series 43, no. 2: 49-94.
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In short, Darwin does not appear to have altered his collecting or labelling practices while he was in the Galapagos Archipelago. After he left Charles Island, his collecting procedures continued to reflect the typological and creationist assumptions he had brought with him to that archipelago. What localities he did record were noted as largely incidental information to remind himself later of scarce species or noteworthy habitats. He continued, moreover, to collect only a few specimens of
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Armstrong, Patrick. 1985. Charles Darwin in Western Australia: A young scientist's perception of an environment. Nedlands: University of Western Australia Press.
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seems that even by the time he reached Australia, he was still, in part of his mind at least, a creationist,64 although he was trying to reconcile the facts that he had been accumulating for the previous four years with conventional doctrine. [January 19 1836, Near Walerawang, New South Wales] I had been lying on a sunny bank, and was reflecting on the strange character of the animals of this country as compared to the rest of the world. An unbeliever in everything beyond his own reason might
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